Ebony Haith

I've been preparing for this for a couple of days now... you must do this so that your sanity is not lost in the midst of blogging about such a crazy individual... sometimes when you research people like Ebony Haith, your ability to remain calm is rather limited. Shall we embark on the blog entry of the century that is about the wondrous and very openly gay Ebony Haith? Yes, I think we shall do so.

BIOGRAPHY

She was born in... Holy fuck! *grasps chest* 1979??!?! Jesus... She's 31 years old. Well, she hasn't aged a bit.

 Totally being sarcastic... she definitely has aged. Okay, so before the show she was a make up artist. That's cute, that's cute. I guess her personal hero is her aunt, because she overcame cancer, and she raised 5 adopted children, one of them being Ebony. That is actually a touching story. Good for Ebony for being able to overcome whatever obstacles she's had to face in her life. I applaud sincerely. For real. I may sound like a cold-hearted bitch just being horribly sarcastic, but I truly think Ebony did amazing to make it as far as she did in life. Snaps for Ebony!

Guess what, girlies! I have ANOTHER interview from GIRLPOSSE.COM! It's becoming my new favorite website. I must send them flowers.

INTERVIEW

There are a couple of things you should know about Ebony. One - she's funny, a self-described clown. Two - she is smart as a whip. Extremely articulate and well spoken. Three - she would definitely do this again.

Maybe what we see on TV isn't always the whole story...."they showed the last minute in situations, not the situation from the beginning."

It seemed from the first episode that Ebony was ultra-competitive and just a bit cold. We didn't find that when we interviewed the latest gal booted from the loft. "It wasn't as competitive as it seemed..... you were your own competition." She went on to describe living in the loft as "more of a sorority type of thing." She had "lots of fun". "It was really flowing, very friendly." But some of the prayer sessions led by Robin seemed to surprise her as well. As did the reaction to her wanting to invite her girlfriend, Kaa, over. "It was very interesting to see what their mind set was." Ebony went on to explain that given the situation, she was amazed by the adverse reaction from some of the other girls. "Shocked. I was shocked." She also conceded the fact that she is very private andattributedd a lot of the reaction to it being her that was gay.

Kaa played an even bigger part than the tense moments on the show. It was she that saw the commercial for America's Next Top Model. She then went on-line and sent in an application for Ebony right "at the dead-line". Ebony hadn't modeled before, but it was always something she thought about and wanted.

We asked Ebony who she thought would win, and promptly turned the tables on us. "I still think I won. We're all so unique so it is hard to judge. Who do you think will win?" After quickly side-stepping that (since it keeps changing every week and our first pick was Ebony...) she told us that she believed Adrienne had the full package. "Great style and true to her personality. She wants it in her heart and it is important in her life. Elyse has a great chance, too. Or Robin could win. Anyone can."

The entire experience has only fueled Ebony's desire. "Look forward to seeing me" she told us as she continues pursuing her dream. And we do.......

What a character she is. I love how she thinks she has won... oh man... she hasn't. But let's just leave her be. Oh, I must share something with you! Ebony was in a magazine! She was even on the COVER! Click below!
Scroll all the way up to see the cover!

Ebony's Print Work

I'm very proud of her. *claps and bows* Let's move on down to on-show time! Woooooooooot woooooooooot!

ON-SHOW 

Honestly, Ebony did not have one good photo on the show. All of them were just... blah blah blah. And not like the Kesha song.

She appears lesbian-y. The muscles... the shoulders... everything just screams lesbian, ya know? Anyway, she looks like a distracted mental patient. Not loving this photo... The suit is obviously not her style... it doesn't look too hot on her. And I dislike how she grabs the suit... meh. This is bad.

Now let's view her first episode! She looked hella cold and she really did absolutely nothing in her photoshoot. How uninspiring. Meh meh meh!

Ebony's First Time

She seems to be very well-mannered during judging... but all that changes as soon as she steps out of that room. Let's just say that Ebony has an opinion about everything and that her passion is talking, not modeling.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT EPISODE MY BITCHES AND HOES!

I hate this... this is a trainwreck of a photo. Her smile is frightening, first of all... if I covered up her face, she'd look like a man. I'm not even exaggerating, y'all. She does NOT look good in pink, to say the least. This photo brings wrong to a whole new level. This makes me want to buy the swimsuit, yes... only to burn it the second I exit the store. And I'm done.

How did Ebony do in her second episode? I'm too lazy to post the second episode. It's boring, first of all. Just like the first episode. She did just as horribly. And she looks just as manly.

MOVING ON TO THE THIRD EPISODE!

Hiss hiss. Snakes! This was the episode with the shoot with snakes wrapped around the models' necks... yum.

No way, she looks like a penis-haver. I think it's physically impossible for her not to appear like a man. It's not as bad as her first two shots, but I'm definitely not liking it. She's just sitting there... I just yawned because of how bored I am when I look at this photo. The snake is doing a better job of modeling, in my humble opinion. The episode... here!

Ebony Has a Skinmergency

 Ebony takes offense to the skin put-down. In the next episode, Ebony rubs greasy lotion all over her body... gross. All the girls are like... "ew!" and I certainly would be like that too. Here is Ebony's commercial in the fourth episode!

Ebony Screws Up Big Time

I'm glad she left here... buh-bye, Eb-Eb. Ooooo, I like that nickname for her! *grins devishly* 

RANDOM PHOTO TIME!

How unattractive can you get? but I suppose she isn't trying to attract my type... considering I'm a penis-haver and all... WHY IS SHE WEARING PINK AGAIN? It seriously does not look cute at all. Moving on.

Now is the time where I share all the wise words that Ebony has uttered as she was on the show... please take these words to heart, because they are obviously very well thought out.

Ebony's Wise Words 

What an inspiration to us all. My favorite Cycle 1 moment of all time... Robin's prayer circle! Love when Ebony glares at the camera. Great smizing, my dear! And of course, possibly one of the greatest Ebony moments of all time... Ebony dislikes her makeover! Damn those unevenly-shaved heads! SCREW THEM ALL TO HELL, THOSE FUCKERS!

Ebony's Hair Problem (Or Rather... Bald Problem? Idk) 

ANTM geniusness right there! *standing ovation* Ebony, you rock simply because of this clip. Thanks for being a huge-ass whiner! We wuv you!

PERSONAL OPINION

 Ebony should've been the first one to leave... Tessa had a much better photo than Ebony's jank boring-ass atrocity. Although Ebony had many moments that just make ya chuckle, her photos and commercial were too gross to keep her. I wish that she would've been eliminated first. Oh, and that grease thing... gross. If you have bad skin, you aren't going to improve it by rubbing grease all over your body. I mean... are you stupid or something? I didn't like her look... I thought her beauty wasn't classic enough for her to be bald, and her look in general was too old and kind of grimy. If you dig it, hey, go for it. But I just don't get it.

RANDOM SHIT

Here are some of Ebony's personal shit, if you care that much.

Ebony's Facebook 

Ebony's Twitter 

Ebony's ModelMayhem 

Aaaaaaaand that's all I have. Wow, Ebony was a great contestant entertainment-wise... but she sucked model-wise. Don't quit your day job, sistah. I wonder if she's still with Kaa? I couldn't find any information about that relationship... bummer. 

Anyway, I'll see you in the next entry when I blog about Giselle! *leaps in the air and poses*

 

Nicole Panattoni

Okay, so first off I gotta say fuck you, Nicole. Your last name is IMPOSSIBLE to spell. Italian last names are a bitch. Let's get to know this Italian stunner a little bit better. Because I know pretty much nothing about her right now... and Nicole finds pleasure in that.

BASIC INFORMATION

Nicole Pannatoni is 30 years old in a few days. Can you believe it? 30. My mother is 10 years older than Nicole. That isn't a lot of years! Wow... That's really eye-opening. In other news, I found this interview from Girlposse.com... *wiggles eyebrows* I think I'm starting to like this website.

Another week and another model "wanna-be" leaves the show. This week we saw Nicole leave the fold - but did we see the real Nicole? Talking to her on the phone she was a lot more outgoing, funny and personable than we expected. In fact, she has been our favorite model interviewed to date.

What did we like about this girl? Just how open and honest she was about herself, and her experiences on the show. We began by asking her if she went out sooner than she thought she would. "Definitely. I definitely went out sooner." At first she didn't understand why she was chosen to leave, but watching the show on TV opened her eyes a bit. "After watching I have a good idea what happened. It seemed like my heart wasn't in it. It didn't seem like I wanted to be there. And I did want to be there. I did."

Modeling has been Nicole's life-long goal, but being on a reality show wasn't. "I didn't want to be on a reality show. I saw the commercial and went to the casting and got it. Which was great." But those cameras in her face 24/7 were a lot to take. The worst part of being on the show? "The cameras and me trying to run from them." She lets us know that in one show you can spot her in the background, running to the bathroom to escape the cameras. To get some time to herself, "I was hiding a lot". Which she thinks may have contributed to the general consensus that she didn't really want to be there.

The other negative to being on the show: the cattiness. "Some girls were pretty catty. I kept a lot to myself." She explained that while there was a lot of talking behind people's backs and in the "confessional", she handled problems directly with the girls themselves. Nicole also talked about the competitive nature of some of the girls. There was "definite competition. I am competitive but it didn't play out on the show...I think some of these girls really needed this to further their careers. I can do it without the show."

It wasn't all bad. Nicole sees a lot of positive to having been on the show. The best? "Probably the photo shoots. I did learn a lot working with the different photographers... The cover of Stuff Magazine...the exposure.... living in New York...... going out and having fun. Plus it is all on tape. Much better than a photo."

So what did she think of the show's creator, Tyra Banks? "I like Tyra. But she was a judge. She couldn't be our friend...... She's a good person." Did Nicole learn a lot from this supermodel? "Definitely. She was trying to help the girls." Nicole has also had some phone calls from Tyra since leaving the show.

So the big question remains: the boyfriend issue. "My only regret was my boyfriend at the time. Being focused on him.... When I was working I wasn't, but at night when I'd go home...." Notice she said boyfriend at the time. They are now broken up, and she is single, and plans to stay that way. "I want to be single!" Sorry guys. Does she still talk to the ex? "I talked to him last night and he feels really bad. He said sorry a lot." As he should. :)

Who does Nicole see being voted off next? She was quick to answer, "Ebony, Giselle, possibly Adrienne." It took a little longer for Nicole to choose who she thinks will win "I hope either Shannon or.....(long pause) Elyse. But I only hesitate with Elyse because she wants to be a doctor. She told me that many times. She has said 'send me home'." Which is a little hard to take as someone that has worked for years to be in the industry. "So I'll go with Kesse. Yep - Shannon and Kesse. Plus they're nice girls."

Nicole wasn't ready to leave the show at first. "As far as my career goes I wasn't ready to leave. Not at all." But when the judges announced their choices "I was ready. It was meant to be." But Nicole isn't done with modeling. "I'm aiming high. Victoria's Secret, Sports Illustrated, Maxim, that type. Fashion is so competitive. I'll stay in the industry. Definitely." We wish her the best of luck in her future!

I love that she admits to running and hiding from the cameras. Although I suppose I would do the same thing. She incorrectly predicted that Adrianne would be eliminated next... WRONG WRONG WRONG! If you didn't know, Adrianne won! Unlike you.

And here's another one! It's rather sexy. I don't know if it's real... because that model on the top is definitely not Nicole. *laughs* 

Nicole's Sexy Interview 

 So she's proud of her big tatas. I guess I would be too if I had them..? I don't know. And wow, she boxes! Well, she boxed back in 2003. Who knows what she's doing now. And the craziest thing she's done... walking 18 blocks? BORING. I've done crazier things than that, and no alcohol has touched my lips. Wow. Okay, so what the hell is she doing NOWADAYS? Let's find out! 

*doesn't find anything* 

Well, this is great. Nicole has apparently evaporated and is now orbiting the earth in the form of a trillion microparticles. Basically, she modeled for a little bit, and then got back with her boyfriend and raised a family. And when I mean "modeled for a bit", I mean this...

 Ew Ew Ew. That's a gross photo. Such a disgusting tan, and what a bad pose! She's right about her rack, though. It is something to be proud of. *nods*

ON THE SHOW

Nicole was eliminated third on the show. For not being committed to the show. And for being a jank Sandra Bullock look-a-like. Let's review her photos, shall we?

Not bad. Her body is sick! Those legs are hot and her rack is certainly a plus. The swimsuit looks great on her. The facial expression is waaaaay too harsh, though. I dislike how she looks like she's taking a shit. Not a good thing, my friend. NOT a good thing. She was scared of heights, supposedly? Let's see the video of this photoshoot, with Nicole being scared.

Nicole Being HOT

Well... she obviously had no fear of heights. The judges loved her. She was cold though... I'm surprised she wasn't nippin out. Her boobs are seriously like cantelopes. Nice, juicy cantelopes, that is... *winks*

Moving on! The next week, Nicole delivered another sex bomb photo.

 Her body is out of this world, but that face... UGH that horrible, pornographic face. I hate it here. It's not attractive whatsoever. First of all, close your goddamn mouth. Secondly, is there anyone home? You look like you've been staring at the camera for 5 minutes and you're starting to zone out. I hate it hate it hate it (the face). Body, yes. Face, fuck no. Let's watch Nicole in her second episode.

Nicole's SECOND Episode!

IT seems like she doesn't have much of a personality. Very laid-back, softspoken... rather boring. I think I would've eliminated her over Katie this week. Katie is more modelesque, in my very arrogant opinion. STUPID Tyra for not choosing the right model. First screw up of ANTM. Right here, bitches.

Thankfully, Tyra saw that Nicole was more sex monster than model, and eliminated her after Katie. Here's the photo that Nicole got eliminated for...

I hate this. The facial expression is SO SO SO SO SO jank. I mean... her eyes look nice. she actually reminds me of Sigrid Agren here a TINY bit. But a very disgusting, old cougar versian Sigrid Agren.

Do you see it? If you don't, you suck.

Let's watch Nicole fail effortlessly at the snake shoot. I must add that very gorgeous photos were produced at this photoshoot. Nicole was among the 2 or 3 girls that butchered it with a steak knife.

Buh-Bye Nicole

WAIT A SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT PHOTO THEY SHOWED AT THE PHOTOSHOOT BEHIND THE SCENES WAS FREAKING GORGEOUS! Gah. I hate Tyra and her inability to choose the correct photo. No life in your eyes is better than "I'm trying so hard to impress everyone" eyes. Let someone else choose the photos! Like the photographer! Or Jay! Or me! ANYONE BUT YOU AND YOUR STANKY LITTLE FINGERS GETTING ALL OVER EVERYTHING! Blah. Tyra, I'm already sick of you, and we aren't even halfway through the first cycle. Bitch, if you continue like this, there'll be way more than just hell to pay.

PERSONAL OPINION

Well, I think she was a nice girl with huge tits. Not much else to her. I have to agree with Tyra that she wasn't as committed to the show as some of the other girls were. Things I like about her would include her boobs and her legs. Things I dislike about her would include her Sandra Bullock-like face and how she always manages to screw up a photo with her jankity-jank eyes.

RANDOM NICOLE PHOTOS

Overall, Nicole is yawn-worthy. I did not enjoy researching her. She has a great rack, though. Did I mention that?

Katie Cleary

So... Katie Cleary... yeah. She's the topic of this post. And might I say that it will be a fabulous one? So Katie has her own website apparently... I will be stealing a lot of stuff from it. *mischievous grin* To start off, let's get to know Katie Cleary a little better. INTERVEW TIME!

INTERVIEW

Where are you from?

I was born and raised on the North Shore of Chicago! 

What was life like for you growing up?

Well, I am only child. I was raised by my wonderful mother. I love her so much! She's great. 

Did you have any dreams or aspirations when you were a kid?

I always wanted to be an actress, ever since I was a little girl.

Did you attend college?

Yeah! I went to a Liberal Arts college in Wisconsin, majoring in business and marketing. I was modeling on the side at that time.

What do you think is your biggest accomplishment in life so far?

I organized a fundraiser that raised money for abused animals. I love animals, and we raised a lot of money, so I'd say that is one of my biggest accomplishments!

Thank you so much for being here, Katie! We're all out of time!

No thank you! It was an honor to be on- *cuts to commercial* 

I have to tell you that Katie Cleary never said any of those things, and that interview was completely fake. But all the things she said were true. Now you know more about Katie Cleary! I wonder what Katie has been busy with these days, though... Luckily, her website lists the things she's done recently and the things she's working on! Take a look!

You may recognize Katie from the hit TV show "America's Next Top Model" Season #1. Recently, she worked on such movies as "The Break Up" and the "Lake House", which were filmed in Chicago. Katie has also hosted such shows as: E! News Now, TV Guide, "Ripe Live", and co-hosted the show "Get Out" appearing on HDTV. Katie has also appeared on Larry King Live and talked about her experiance working on "Deal or no Deal". Katie will be appearing in national commercials for Chandon Champagne, Emerald Nuts, Black Magic, and her newest commercial for the new AT&T "LG" phone appearing with Brody Jenner and Lauren Conrad from "The Hills". Be on the lookout for Katie in her print campaign for Epson printers and her role as Jessica Reed in CSI NY.

 

Here is a great video of Katie talking about what she's been doing and how she got discovered.

Katie's Story 

 

and here's Katie on various TV shows!

Katie hosts Reel 

Katie at the Genesis Awards 

 

 

I did NOT know she was so busy! Congratulations, Katie! That's a lot of stuff! And you are becoming quite the little actress there. So... now we must talk about Katie's experiences on the show. Ready? Okay!

 

 

ON THE SHOW

For the first photoshoot, Katie struggled... the photographer said she was one of the hardest ones to shoot. That really sucks, because Katie is a hot girl. Janice was peeved at her trying to overdo her in sex appeal by sticking her thumbs in her swimsuit. I guess that's "pornographic"? Bahahaha. Here's a video of Katie's first episode!

Katie's First Episode!

Wow, the show's budget was like... 6 dollars back then. I love how you can't walk two feet in front of you without bumping into something in that panel room. Anyway, let us move on to the second episode! Hurray! 

 

Again, the modelinas had to model swimwear. Because that's all models do. Sports Illustrated. Might I just add that Katie was chosen by Giselle to meet Wyclef Jean? Yes, Giselle won the challenge and chose Katie among a few other girls. Lucky Katie! Here's a summary of Katie's episode 2!

Katie's Second Episode!

I think being pornographic is a bullshit elimination reason. I mean come on... there are more pornstars out there than models, am I right? Here is Katie's elimination one more time... *sniffle*

Poor Katie...

So that's Katie's time on the show... she was only there a short while before she was kicked off for being too slutty. Katie, a word of advice... don't be better at doing what you do than the judges are. If you are better at Tyra at smizing, then you might as well kiss that Covergirl contract goodbye.

 

 

PERSONAL OPINION
I think Katie is one sexy bitch, to be honest. I love her hair for some reason. I think she was completely the wrong type of girl for ANTM, but she took some sexy photos and was eliminated at the wrong time. Janice can suck it. Janice, you're just pissed that you ain't that hot no more! *z snaps* Back to topic, Katie seems like a really nice girl... very down-to-earth and caring. I mean, she has started several foundations for animals for Christ's sake. She HAS to be close to angelic status by now.

OTHER

 Katie's Youtube Account

Katie's Website 

Katie's Twitter 

Guys Katie Has Dated 

Katie Cleary Photos 

I hope you've learned more about Katie! I have fo sho.

 

Tessa Carlson

So my first post is all about the first girl ever to be eliminated on America's Next Top Model... Tessa Carlson!

BIOGRAPHY

We don't really know much about Tessa... she's rather mysterious. She was on ANTM for like... two seconds, and then BOOM, she's gone. I guess she's a waitress now? *claps sarcastically* Not that that's a bad thing... not everyone can be as fabulous as they want to be. Tessa was born in 1984 in Chicago. That makes her 19 when she was on the show... and 26 now. Damn. She is older than dirt. Well... I couldn't really find anything else about Tessa... she's a rather boring contestant and makes a blog post very bland. I am ashamed.

ON THE SHOW

 Remember when Tessa first walked through that door? All the girls were like... daaaaamn, who dat (mostly because of that disgusting top)? Sounds like Tessa was a little nervy. As she should've been... Robin was gonna slap her ass with a Bible if she got eliminated over Tessa! 

Tessa's First Steps

Tessa was eliminated first on the show... due to her lack of personality and jank posing. Hold on, let me go grab her photo.

I mean, it's not horrible... but it's rather awkward. It looks like she's brushing an ant off of her foot. Or scratching her ass. I don't really know. So yeah... that's her only photo on the show. Thank god she was eliminated, because I have a feeling that this is the best she would've produced. Here's Tessa making history as producing the first elimination-worthy photo in the history of ANTM.

Tessa is Confused and Cold! 

 Seriously... the photographer had to pose her himself... not something we'd like to have on the show, Tess. Not at all. And she was one of the girls that Tyra brought after the girls made it into the house, am I correct? Yes, I think I am. Well, Tessa, we'll definitely miss you. Let's watch you get eliminated one more time.

Tessa Is Sad :( 

It really is heartbreaking... especially for her, I mean who would want to be known as the first girl to be eliminated on America's Next Top Model? That would suck balls! Seriously... I would not want to be her. 

PERSONAL OPINION

Well... honestly she reminds me of this girl from MadTV:

Stephanie Weir, everyone! I think I like Stephanie Weir better, because she doesn't wear 90's jean jackets like Tessa does. On the show, she looked older than 19... and I hated her hair color. Even though it's what fit her best. I guess I just thought she looked like a waitress working full time to pay for college. Not a model at all. That's my final view on Tessa Carlson. And to Tyra, I say thank you for eliminating her first. I wish I could find more about Tessa... let me look harder for a couple minutes.

*leaves*

*comes back*

Ooooooooooooooo I found an interview! Yay me! On Girlposse.com. My other website! (totally not my other website...) Let's she what Tessa has to say!

TESSA'S INTERVIEW

Very upbeat, Tessa described her experience on the show as just that: an experience - which is what she was looking for. She was inspired to audition for the show when she saw a commercial for the auditions the night before. She headed down to the bar where the auditions were being held, and after bribing a girl to trade numbers so she could go sooner, she had her chance. The effort paid off. She was one of the final girls chosen to be on America's Next Top Model. Not new to the world of modeling, Tessa began at the age of 12 in St. Louis. She moved to Chicago looking for her "big break" after high school. When asked if she thought this was it, she said she was hopeful that it was a definite step in the right direction. Tessa hoped to learn a bit more by being on the show and would have liked more advice and support. The advice she is sure the other girls will receive the longer they are there.

Her brief stay did have some excitement. And yes - it was freezing up on the rooftop for the swimsuit shoot. "Couldn't you tell?" she laughed over the phone when asked about it. "I was really looking forward to being off that roof." At 10 degrees who could blame her? She was also there long enough to choose some of her favorites - although she stated that she doesn't know who will win. "Adrianne is not typical. She's opinionated and outspoken. I like that. Ebony has that unique look you don't see often."

Living your life on TV can be a bit overwhelming for many - but not Tessa. "I think I was portrayed pretty well. The end was sad. Of course a lot of what was filmed was cut out that showed my personality. I really let loose and had a good time and I don't think that it showed."

Which brings us to Tyra Banks' comment about Tessa not having personality. "I used to like Tyra. I do have a personality and Tyra said I didn't. I don't dislike her, but she didn't seem like she said she was. She was all about how she really cared for the girls and wanted to help. I just didn't see it. But I was only there a couple of days, too."

When asked if it was harder to leave the girls that she met on the show or to leave the show itself she exclaimed "I didn't want to leave New York! It was my first time there." But it wasn't just the scenery she was leaving behind. With a Revlon contract hanging in the balance, it was disappointing to realize that she was also leaving that opportunity. "But hopefully a lot of people will watch the show. I hope it gets good ratings. It was a great experience." She is also hoping for a reunion. "I'd love to see the other girls again. See how much they've changed and grown."

Overall, Tessa believes it was fair. "They have an idea of what they want and I wasn't it. Hopefully they find it." And she will continue pursuing her dream of becoming a "Top Model". Just as she encourages everyone to "stick with it" - we think she should do the same.

So Tessa WAS an upbeat, fun girl... too bad we didn't really even get a glimpse of any of that. She seems really nice and down-to-earth. She describes herself as "Sexy, Crazy, and Cool" in a different section of the interview... I didn't find her very sexy or crazy, but goddammit she seemed like a cool gal. So props to you, Tess, for being cool. And I'm done.

Where are we. What the hell is going on.

Hey hey! My name is Michael and I created this blog because I thought it would be fun. So basically... I am going to dedicate one post to each and every ANTM contestant there ever was. I'm going to find silly videos, quotes, what they're doing nowadays, and all that shit about them. It's going to be great. You'll get to know all of them! And I will too. Even the stuff you didn't want to know. Okay, so that's what's going down... I guess we'll see what happens to this. :)